Wed 28 Jul 2010
More thoughts on India and the nature of the world.
Posted by Karl Winthrop under Daily Life, Political Rants
So far this week we’ve I’ve had two nights (8:30 pm - 5:30am local) with my new team. The six guys all seem very intelligent and they look to have a very diverse ethnic backgrounds. All of them have come to delhi to get jobs that were not avaliable in their home regions. We asked a “favorite place question as an “icebreaker” and got a slew of “my hometown” answers — even from my colleague who was having an admittedly heavy bout of homesick.
They asked us what our degrees were in and were surprised to learn that neither of their trainers had a degree in business/finance - although they seemed to perk up when it was mentioned that their other trainer was in school for MBA (we didn’t mention that his first class wont be till he gets back in Sept). These guys had studied computer programing, and marketing at their various institutions, but in a down economy had thought that getting time in with a global-outsourcing firm would look good on their CV’s and give them a leg up on competition when internal management positions become available. It sounds a lot like how I started at the Job almost 7 years ago.
I’m more amazed at the similarities in the cultures than at the differences, and if it’s not to patronizing a thing to say — looking a out at Delhi (I know I’m in a suburb but out trip into the city Sunday revealed not so different a landscape from the one outside my balcony) I see the US 120 years ago, perhapse the mash of social classes, climbers, entreprenuers, migrants, visionaries, and those just struggling to get by, that existed in the New York City at the turn of the 19th century.
Another telling answer to our icebreaker questions was the what would you do if you won the lottery — although lotteries have been banned here recently for reasons having to do with fixing and corruption, they all knew what we meant. (I suspect though that in his description of American lottery, my colleague made us all seem like wastrel gambling addicts - but no matter.) 5 out of the six had in mind a sort of charitable foundation to assist all their countrymen & women that the upheavals of the last decades seem to have left behind.
I doubt than American group would answer so selflessly, either out of cynicsm at the effects of charity; or because of a lack of knowledge on the full extent of the domestic needs. Conversely I think it noble but perhapse futile to think that one lottery winning will have an impact on the fortunes of an entire country. (It’s hard enough to coordinate the schedules/motivations of my family so hundreds of millions seems impossible.) Maybe I’m wrong (and a part of me hopes I am) but “poor” is a relative state and there will always be some among us that are less advantaged, our efforts at charity do more to help the giver feel good than it does the situation of the recipient.
The other thing that makes this group of trainees amusing is the degree of camaraderie that they show toward each other. I learned that these guys have been mentoring with the firm’s new business teams for the last month while we were delayed in getting here (damned visa issue) and so they seem already pretty familiar with each other. The first night of training we accompanied them to the the small food stand/pavilion that had been set up in the vacant lot next to the office tower, they offered to buy us food - as if we were paying for our food ourselves anyway.
The degree of back slapping, hand holding, horsing around and general physical affection on display would be unthinkable in the American workplace, it made my colleague wonder about the idea of “sexual orientation” in Indian culture. From my limited knowledge there is no such thing as a homosexual-Hindi (although if there were they would no longer be considered criminal by national law). I explained that it was typical in most gender separated societies (as most of the non-G8 countries are) the assumption of marriage and child rearing are so strong that any activity short of being caught by the paparazzi in a man-on-man-on-man orgy wouldn’t lead to suspicion. Not that I’ll be picking up boys at a bar while I’m here — sorry Brett & Paul.
Again I think back to the mores of 19th century America, where the future president could share a bed/house with his law partner and nobody would assume that they were “life-partners”. The question remains as to how this may develop as the country grows more affluent. Will they loose this expression of friendship as trying to out-macho each other becomes a symptom of competetion, or will the strides toward gay-rights in the US and elsewhere allow them to leapfrog past that stage in their economic growth.
More later. Tomorrow afternoon we visit the India division of the corporation.
Your observations on the workplace are really interesting. When we went, everyone was on their best behavior and looked at us with suspicion. Not because we were Americans, but if any group wanders into your office you’re bound to act a little buttoned-down.
The lottery response seems to be illustrative of a concern for greater society that we haven’t seen in a while here. In America we deride the idea of being less efficient to keep folks employed, but over there I often saw just that. In order to employ local women, a Bangalore office park passed over gas-powered lawnmowers in favor of poorer women on their knees clipping grass all day. And the legions of servants aren’t an embarrassment to many. It’s a responsibility of the wealthy to provide jobs for the family and friends, and the neighborhood poor. The same sentiment seems to bubble up in Manila, where my brother is now. They said they didn’t need a driver because they were carpooling to their jobs, but the employer encouraged them to hire one anyway, as their status gave them responsibility.